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Sleeper Service · Mar 08, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I prefer allowing heroes to use 3 pve-only skills
That'd be <3

id MUCH rather have 7heroes than 8 or even 12 pve only skills.

BlackSephir · Mar 08, 2008, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

id MUCH rather have 7heroes than 8 or even 12 pve only skills.

Actually, me too but AN has already said "no because no" on this matter while I didn't hear them say "no" on pve skills for heroes.

VinnyRidira · Mar 08, 2008, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I do not really see a need to have a limit. Maybe they should put a limit on the primary profession skills allowed to force players to use their second profession.

Sefk · Mar 08, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Want 8 PVE skill in your bar? Create a Mesmer:
Ebon support+arcane echo+echo+ursan+Arcane Mimicry+Pain inverter+Signet of capture+Sunspear Rebirth Signet

Stockholm · Mar 08, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Sefk

Want 8 PVE skill in your bar? Create a Mesmer:
Ebon support+arcane echo+echo+ursan+Arcane Mimicry+Pain inverter+Signet of capture+Sunspear Rebirth Signet

Thats 4 PvE Skills?

flclisgreat · Mar 08, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

signet is a pve skill

RiKio · Mar 08, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

8 PvE skills would be funny, but overpowered. Also, a Rank Discrimination would star in PvE ( Yeah a RANK DISCRIMINATION, you have read well)

A rank discrimination? Yes. Because people would star using PvE skilbars. And the PvE skills require a Rank, so here is....elitism in PvE.

Sefk · Mar 08, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by flclisgreat

signet is a pve skill

Oups.

But still, the concept is there. You can add signet of illusion if you are too lazy to farm PVE ranks. You can always add Resurrection Signet instead of sunspear's one etc.

But people still wont play mesmer, since it's not in the holy trinity.

MithranArkanere · Mar 08, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

more than 3 skills where allowhend when there where only profession-linked and some lightbringer skills.

You could have a complete 8-PvE skills bar.

2 Kurzick/luxon, 3 sunspear, 2 lightbringer, 1 signet of capture.

But that build was... ridiculously bad.

With the addition of the EotN "supah-pahwahfah skeelz", the build would have been ridiculously good.

That's whey they made the change.

Faer · Mar 08, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Angelina Collins

I bet a good lawyer could argue

Yeah, until he was blue in the face. The Judge, Jury, and Executioner, however, would laugh and say "Welcome to online gaming".

Two April Mornings · Mar 08, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

I think 1 is too many.

Angelina Collins · Mar 08, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

My original Prophecies box did indeed warn that gamplay may change over time. The recent boxes and the SE edition do not have this warning on.

If you cant adapt to the skill balances then leave. There have been worse ones over time that people have managed to get over. Allowing 8 PvE skills on a bar is overkill and an idea Anet would never think of thankfully.

Well my original prophecies box had no warning, but you are from the UK and I am from the US. So different packageing.

You know it's not about adaptation or balance. It's about being forced to change because of PvP. I have played from the beginning and always changed my builds for all my characters to deal with every situation. I changed because I discovered new skills, new advantages and new weapons. I found that some skills work better in some areas, others don't.

This is what pissed me off about skill balance. I find a new skill, and use it one or two times, before it gets nerfed due to abuse in PvP. I did not abuse the skill, but I get PUNISHED for others abuse. Thus I start to hate PvP players. So do most of the PvE players, they hate PvP players for the damage they cause.

However PvP players ARE NOT TO BLAME, Anet is to Blame because they made PvP about only one condition, Kill or Be killed, and any player is going to look for the most effective way to accomplish that goal to WIN, WIN, WIN.

Thus gimmick builds are born.

Tyla · Mar 08, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

And how will 8 PvE skills reverse this 'punishment'?
I fail to even see why it's a punishment, isn't it easy enough to change your build a little? Because it isn't for me...

Sefk · Mar 08, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

And how will 8 PvE skills reverse this 'punishment'?
I fail to even see why it's a punishment, isn't it easy enough to change your build a little? Because it isn't for me...

Because she/he can't finish the game in normal mode with Ursan.

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However PvP players ARE NOT TO BLAME, Anet is to Blame because they made PvP about only one condition, Kill or Be killed, and any player is going to look for the most effective way to accomplish that goal to WIN, WIN, WIN.

Have you ever played any FPS game like CS? Don't blame ANet, blame humanity.

And I said it, if you want 8 PVE skill, it's easy, just play a mesmer. But you wont play it.

Snow Bunny · Mar 08, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

As unconstructive as this post may seem, I do feel it strikes at the heart of the issue.

Stop being bad at PvE

The Toe Tag · Mar 08, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Well i dont agree with the way ppl complane about skill balancing .It to keep the game even not for 1 class to dominate.Yes atm its mainly balancing pvp,But when they balance pve yall still cry nerf about it.Ekkk they run out my FireStorm
(Eles are dead forever now) OMG only 10 minions (Necros are dead forever)

When A-Net balances the game theres going to be a hand full of ppl that dont like it but its for the best in the long run.Just wait till the do nerf Ursan half of GW will like it or half wont.

I say keep swinging that Nerf bat A-Net.It gets ppl to change the way they play.

Tyla · Mar 08, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Sefk

Because she/he can't finish the game in normal mode with Ursan.

That's a skill bar, though.

Malice Black · Mar 08, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Don't be dumb.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 08, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Rubbish. Impact on PvE is negligible from the skill rebalances, it's just that people are too lazy to adjust their farmbuilds.

/unsigned.

I'd sign on the "7 heroes" or even "let heros use PvE skills" though.

anonymous · Mar 08, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Angelina Collins

Some can say that PvP is easy also, so why balance?

I can say there is an invisible dragon in my back yard, that doesn't mean there is. This statement ruined your whole post.

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Originally Posted by Angelina Collins

I bet a good lawyer could argue that game modification where one party suffers over another is some kind of consumer fraud, and thus Anet and all parties involved could be subject to liabilities do to such changes.

It could also be argued that hundreds of thousands aren't having a problem and the problem is just being caused by that person being bad at the game, which isn't a responsiblity of ANet.